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Lowest value no-send guide/challenge

Discussion in 'Strategy Guides' started by BerntDasBrot, Sep 1, 2020.

  1. BerntDasBrot

    BerntDasBrot Member

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    This is supposed to be a challenge and guide and project at the same time. Everyone can contribute, here are the rules:

    I want to have a build for every wave (separately) that consistently holds a 0 send on that wave (that means at least 5 times in a row). Kingpin and Hydra are banned and legion spells can only be used after wave 10 (and of course, only one at a time...). Active abilities (Harden/Stim/Booster/Shuriken) are banned. For Hellraisers, Tantrum is allowed on at most 50% of them (i.e. if you have only 1, it cannot have tantrum).

    To contribute just post a picture of your build here and with the value. For now I will just give out values for each wave that I (or my collaborators) managed to hold with. Whenever the wave is "solved" (which means someone finds a consistent solution with my value or less) I will post the picture with the lowest value as a spoiler behind each wave and update if possible for new solutions. The biggest learning experience is achieved by trying to hold the waves with the given value first and then checking the solutions (if they exist already). Different builds with the same value can be contributed.

    I will try to update this post whenever I do get the time to it. Feel free to tag me in discord (@julian2468) or ingame (BerntdasBROT) if something should be added.

    For newer players I would suggest to get within 20% (10% if a bit more experienced) of the suggested value.

    Big thanks to the other contributors, especially @Bonny @Pennywise @jitsuc4 @flight_TV and shadowings.

    Up to date for Patch 6.0.2.11 (I think) Solutions for all waves are up, due to weird scaling the "tab" images look weird and are therefore sometimes omitted. Solution images are attached.

    Wave 1: 95 value -> Oathbreaker (holds snail), Wileshroom [SHRROOOOOOOOOM!] (doesn't hold snail)

    Wave 2: 125 value [current record 120 value by @jqob ] https://legiontd2.com/community/attachments/upload_2020-9-2_18-59-5-png.8458/

    Wave 3:
    150 value [current record 145 value by @jitsuc4 ]https://legiontd2.com/community/attachments/upload_2020-9-2_17-8-12-png.8456/

    Wave 4:
    190 value (alternative solution by @jitsuc4 )

    Wave 5:
    260 value [current kind of record my @jitsuc4 245 value] https://legiontd2.com/community/attachments/upload_2020-9-2_19-40-21-png.8459/

    Wave 6:
    305 value (original 290 setup is somehow not consistent anymore...)

    Wave 7:
    460 value [current record 450 value by me]

    Wave 8:
    550 value [current record 535 value by me ] (previous record by @Jules )

    Wave 9:
    620 value [current kind of record 610 value by me, holds 9/10 times, 620 setup by @Bonny ; don't have a screenshot]

    Wave 10:
    695 value [Current Record 680 value by @Jules ] https://legiontd2.com/community/attachments/2020-09-02_13h21_50-png.8453/

    Wave 11:
    850 value

    Wave 12:
    945 value

    Wave 13:
    1045 value [current record 1010 value by me]

    Wave 14:
    1630 value [current record 1200 value by @Pennywise (and me)] https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd....353/D999206EB4D92C0B65F65C65EE1A8EE2397BED77/

    Wave 15:
    1905 value [current record 1200 value by @Pennywise ] https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd....193/6D9F018FF587523D95D151D554C2C5674FA23030/ (Previous records by @Bluejin )

    Wave 16:
    2275 value [current record 2125 value by Ashton Butcher ] https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd....076/670B14B4B728097AABCFD1B8E5D786E3E505DD20/ (previous record by @jitsuc4 )

    Wave 17:
    2545 value [by @Pennywise ]

    Wave 18:
    3225 value [current record 3070 value by me]

    Wave 19:
    3575 value

    Wave 20:
    3755 value [Current Record: 2030 by @Pennywise with massive credit to @Bluejin ] https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd....729/451CA165DABF1F95AB89DAC369850C5517F61A86/ (Previous records by @Bluejin )

    Wave 21:
    Due to Sandbox limitations and increasing number of stacks, no values are given out for wave 21.
     

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    Last edited: Sep 10, 2020
  2. Bluejin

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    W20 with 2250 value + titan, or 2640 without titan and one more chieftain
     

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  3. Jules

    Jules Developer Staff Member

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    Wave 10: 680 value
     

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    Another Azeria abuse, 1470 + Titan on 15
     

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    upload_2020-9-2_18-59-5.png

    wave 2: 120
     
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    Wave 5: 245

    Held 8 times in a row, so it technically satisfies the rules :rolleyes: Also tagging @Jules @Lisk - in the video starting at @7:43 attempt #9 is a nice example of targeting going completely different than the earlier 8 tries. Mainly the difference seems to be that sometimes units "lock onto" a target and sometimes reconsider. Pretty good comparison is attempt #1 (@5 seconds in) vs. #9. Since w5 is kinda special with the mini boss and it's easily noticeable, I think this might be related to pathing/targeting on other waves as well to some degree.

    upload_2020-9-2_19-40-21.png

     
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    Wave 8 - 540 value. Holds consistently. The earlier leak in the screenshot was a different built
     

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