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Zgeembo's Guide: Forsaken ( Updated on 04.12.2017)

Discussion in 'Strategy Guides' started by Zgeembo, Oct 5, 2017.

  1. Cornep

    Cornep Member

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    Doppelganger destroys centaur like no other.
     
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  2. Zgeembo

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    So usually people will send on 4, so when you see you are not getting any sends on 5. You already know, they will either skip for 6 or go centaur on 8/9. So here is what you do, after wave 4 you probably have a gargoyle, butcher, nightmare and a dark mage. So after wave 5 is done, you build a green devil, expecting them to send on6 maybe. If they didnt send on 6, you know they will go for 8/9. So now you clear 6, you dont build anything here. You save all the gold. So pprobably at this point you have 160ish gold. Then you clear wave 7 ( the build clear 7 pretty safe). After 7 you should be able to to upgrade your Nightmare into Doppelganger. This is holding cent on 8 quite effectively. If they decide to go 9, just upgrade your butcher into head chef, or get some more Green Devil/Bone Crushers. The doppelganger will destroy the centaur.
    EDIT: you push a worker after 4 obviously, or even on 3 :D so you are on 3 workers :)
     
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  3. Mosl

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    Just tried forsaken a bit, and i have to say I donĀ“t like it^^

    I like playing till lategame (20/21) and I need to have shittons of overvalue to be ablet o hold the turtle or the legionlord waves :eek:

    early/mid works ok :/
     
  4. Zgeembo

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    I have just updated the guide, if you need me to upload Photos of positioning, feel free to comment.
     
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  5. Konsaril

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    Yes, please ;-)
     
  6. ithion

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    I went and did some testing... 6 seems to be the problem? I tried different positioning with darkmage+nm+butcher+2gargoyles and brute or lizard+snail gave me headaches (could hold lizard+snail but also leak 3)
     
  7. Zgeembo

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    Yeah, if you notice the save you need to adjust the build. I usually go DM + NM + butcher + 2 gargoyle + 1 bone warrior, this hold quite nice unless you get a brute. But yeah if you see, that you didnt get sends on 5. Dont push worker, get a gateguard and you are fine on wave 6.
    Edit: I tested the build, I gold wave 6 4times of the tested 4 if I get send a lizard + snail.

    @Konsaril I have posted the Photos in the guide, tell me if it is too much confusing, I will try to improwe it then .
     
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  8. ithion

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    Ofc I build extra if I notice a save but 75 myth is not impossible/rare even if you get 50 myth on 5=) Thx for pictures though.
     
  9. Konsaril

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    @Zgeembo I will try it out Later ;-) But Thanks!
     
  10. Akitos

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    NM + DM leaks to fiend, and super big vs fiend + snail or brute. Also if you get 3 workers after 3 and are not getting enough gold from either enemy leaks or your lane opponent sending you will not get the butcher for 5, leaving you with a rather awkward buildpath. I personally find the build to be more flexible going for 2 Gargs instead of upping the BW to DM on 3 (unless you got sends on 1/2).

    1 NM + 1 DM + 2 Gargs + Butcher holds 7 vs the likes of a 50 myth send, sometimes even 75. 3 Gargs hold 75 myth reliably and even a mole, sometimes a dino. So unless your opponent is saving I usually get a worker instead of Green Devil here and upgrade that on 8 instead.

    Other than that pretty solid guide, great for Forsaken starters. GJ.


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    You either have a completly different positioning than me, or you're very unlucky. I usually only leak 6 to 75 myth if I go super greedy (1 garg).
     
  11. ithion

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    Positioning=) I tested several times with Zgeembos placement and held fiend every time on 3.

    Mby. It held most of the time.
     
  12. Akitos

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    With just 1 NM 1 DM? Hmm. Did you snipe the Fiend? Thats like the only chance I see. If not I usually saw people leaking at least 2-3 creeps + Fiend, and sometimes they leaked very big (if the Fiend goes on the NM without the NM attacking it back).
     
  13. ithion

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    Most people (almost everyone I've seen) build dm behind nightmare=p And no, it got killed about halfway thrue.
     
  14. Zgeembo

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    @ithion I get bruted a lot on 6, I pretty much hold it always now unless i get greedy, and try to hold it with no butcher so I can push another worker.

    @Akitos yeah I do hold any 50 mythium send on wave 3 with only DM and NM. If you didnt get any sends on wave 1/2 and enemy is not overbuilding ofc you will build a gargoyle for wave 3 so that you dont leak to the brute. Its one of reasons I said this build is not to be followed strictly, its marely a guide on what type of build you should have for specific waves in an average game.
    I also do agree on your comment how to hold wave 7, I tryed it my self but for the sake of keeping the guide not too complex I decided to recommend the green devil variante, as it is much safer.
     
  15. Demikun

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    just a quick note from me:

    adding a Gateguard to 11 holds bigger tank sends, like dino + 2snakes.
    7 out of 10 games i did leak on 11 before. Just with dino+snake send (which is a common send if they aren't saving and atleast 1 guy leaks)

    I did some other slight adjutments, but in general i really really did enjoy ur guide.
    Thanks alot for creating it. I hope u keep updating it, or maybe even write other guides aswell ^^ <3
     
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    got crushed in wave 19 with about 6k value with this build, they wasnt even sending that much :/
     
  17. Murtyn

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    Been testing the build for a few hours, pretty fun so far. Especially when you mix it up ;)